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First In-Studio Guest: Roland Manthorpe (Sky News)
The hosts show off their new studio and imported Italian sofa, preview the day's guest lineup, and welcome Sky News technology correspondent Roland Manthorpe as the show's first-ever in-person guest. He explains why the AI minister's cabinet move is actually a demotion for AI within DSIT, details the two-year GDS-to-DSIT migration, and warns that agent-driven FOI requests and claims will overwhelm public services built on friction. He also calls open letters low-stakes status games — arguing Dario should fund Demis's model-inspection plan rather than sign statements — leading to a debate on Zuckerberg's revealed preferences on open source and who benefits if AI is commoditized.
Granola's Apple Watch App — Sam Stevenson
The hosts react to Granola's surprise Apple Watch launch and the social norms around wearable recording, then co-founder Sam Stevenson joins to explain the product. He walks through the app itself, the woven strap made by a local London weaver, the 2-million-impression launch video, and privacy choices like the always-visible green screen and deliberately no audio recording, predicting most work conversations will be transcribed by default. He also shares updates since their last appearance: a 20-person San Francisco office, larger enterprise customers, the new follow-up-emails feature, growing API/MCP usage, and the long-term 'company OS' vision.
Zuri Q's Pavel: Quantum Chip Architecture & $25.5M Seed
Pavel, a quantum physicist behind ETH Zurich spinout Zuri Q, details the $25.5M seed led by Quantonation, the first quantum-dedicated VC fund. He explains why the team stayed in the lab longer than first-wave quantum startups: competitors' linear (1D) qubit layouts scale slowly, while Zuri Q's 2D array architecture enables a steeper scaling trajectory. He covers the absence of a quantum Moore's law so far, how AI and quantum relate (some provably better problem classes, plus AI accelerating circuit compilation and design workflows), the Infineon fabrication partnership, and hiring physicists and engineers — especially in quantum error correction.
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Rowland Manthorpe on Anthropic, Waymo & AI Coverage
Sky News' Rowland Manthorpe joins from SXSW, where he interviewed Waymo's chief product officer about the London launch and edge cases like emergency services interacting with driverless cars. He argues Anthropic is less an "ethical AI" company than an ideological one with firm positions, such as on China, and likens the AI market to cloud computing where multiple players can win, while keeping open the possibility that AGI could be different. He also discusses media coverage of AI, warning against hyper-focusing on safety scares or dismissing AI like the metaverse, and compares riding a Waymo to the quiet life-changing utility of a rice cooker.
Jack Doohan: From F1 to a Food-Tech Startup
Formula 1 reserve driver Jack Doohan calls in from the Monaco Grand Prix, recounting his path from a three-year F1 contract to being sidelined and pivoting into tech. He explains his startup's push to build a unified system of record for food service, aggregating data from 80-100 fragmented systems (POS, ERP, supply chain) into a self-learning brain with a forecasting layer, citing botched AI rollouts at Starbucks and Pizza Hut as evidence that proprietary data is the moat. He says the company is contracted across just over 5,000 locations, targets 10,000 by year-end while cash-flow positive, and will raise only from strategic insiders; he also describes the paddock's value as a networking venue and athletes moving into venture.
Valentino Pacifici: Sana Labs Pre-Seed to Billion-Dollar Exit
Sana Labs' Valentino Pacifici recounts joining at pre-seed with no product, customers, or revenue and staying through the company's billion-dollar acquisition. He shares two things most early employees get wrong: realizing "you are the stock," and that endurance becomes part of your identity after years of near-death moments. He describes hiring via the "MEH" framework (missionary vs mercenary, excellence, humbleness) and treating international expansion as a re-founding moment that requires builders who know the product inside out. The conversation runs to the end of this part of the episode.