Mats André Kristiansen
CEO and Co-Founder of Take Take Take
8 Apr 2026TBPN Acquired, New Yorker Vs. Sam Altman, Author of The Infinity Machine, Citrini Field Trip
Hades' Max on Laser Drilling & Europe's Critical Minerals
After briefly teasing an NHS staff boycott of Palantir's data platform, the hosts welcome Max, Munich-based founder of Hades, fresh off a February raise. He explains why laser drilling can cut the 30-70% of mining capex that drilling represents, why Europe's 2-3% domestic critical mineral production is a sovereignty risk versus ~20-30% elsewhere, the goal of 10km-deep geothermal energy, off-planet resource extraction on a 10-20 year horizon, and his call for founders to build energy and mineral companies instead of more SaaS.
Sebastian Mallaby: DeepMind's Secret Hedge Fund & the Google Marriage
The interview with Demis Hassabis biographer Sebastian Mallaby continues. He explains how DeepMind secretly built a trading operation (which Hassabis never told him about directly; he learned via contacts from his Renaissance Technologies book), then walks through the failed safety-and-ethics commission with Elon Musk, Hassabis and Mustafa Suleyman's three-year "Project Mario" fight to force an independent safety board on Google — including a $1 billion Reed Hoffman spin-out offer — and the post-ChatGPT merger of Google Brain into DeepMind that made the Pichai–Hassabis duo "the most important buddy act in global business." It closes with why 2 AM is Hassabis's favorite hour for science and quasi-spiritual thinking, before the hosts thank Mallaby and plug The Infinity Machine.
Town Square: Nutella's Free Ad from Space (Artemis 2)
After the interview, the hosts praise The Infinity Machine, joke about staying up until 2:30 AM reading it, and lament school kids now "scrolling" books. In the Town Square segment they break down the Artemis 2 clip of a Nutella jar floating in zero gravity as an astronaut calls it "out of this world" — free placement seen by roughly 12 million live-stream viewers. They mock Nutella's dormant social accounts until a screenshot shows the brand did post about the moment, then riff on NASA selling product-placement ads in space, a prediction market on which spread Artemis 2 carries, and ETN's joke incubation ideas (branded gooseneck mics and a space ad agency).